Beerus is the God of Destruction of Universe 7 and quite possibly the strongest known God of Destruction there is. In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. As explained by Vados during the Tournament of Power, Jiren's powers are even beyond time, which means no matter how much Hit improves his time-skip, he is more likely to lose the fight than not. Regardless if the DB universe treats it as a hand in hand stat to durability and power. MUI and Gogeta Blue are relative. He is the author of some of the articles here that you liked, and others that you didn't. In the third … Actually, I think Jiren has a huge AP adventage. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. I think Hit would be elimated so quickly. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. In Goku’s First encounter with Jiren, Jiren matched a Kaiokenx20 Super Saiyan Blue Spirit Bomb, and Supreme Kai stated that Jiren’s power feels different from anyone they ever faced before, meaning that Jiren is the strongest enemy they have ever faced. When Jiren shows up, it's heavily implied he's the one mortal stronger than GoD, which would likely include Beerus. If hearts is trying to overthrow the omni king and jiren, hit, Android 17,trunks, piccolo can't beat hearts what chance does gogeta have of beating him.. And why does hearts look like gogeta is a challenge.. If he doesn't fuck around with Jiren he One-Shots and if he does then Jiren will gradually climb to his Power Level or try to seal him. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). NEXT: Dragon Ball: Vegeta's 10 Worst Defeats, Rei Penber is an avid fan of anime and manga. You guys are supposed to close it. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. That's kinda how ki in DB works bro. Beerus isn’t a guy whose gonna be surpassed so subtle and subliminally. Here are five characters from Dragon Ball that Jiren can defeat, and five more that he can't. Gogeta wouldn't one-shot Jiren, he didn't one-shot Super One-Star Dragon who has the same feat as the GoDs Jiren scales above to. Gohan is the son of Goku and Chi-Chi, making him a half-blooded Saiyan. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. Despite that, however, Hit won't be able to defeat Jiren in a fight. 16:19, May 4, 2019. Wouldn't Jiren's RE allow him to keep pace and eventually overcome this Goku or just seal him? Furthermore, Vegeta can even go a step beyond that with Blue Evolution, taking his powers even higher than Toppo, a God of Destruction candidate. The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. For Jiren, this fight should be rather easy, however, we expect Kefla to fare well against him. You are using an out of date browser. Syn Shenron is 10x weaker so he's 4x baseline. Okay, so this isn’t exactly a reason why Gogeta is stronger than Vegito, but it should be. That said, IMO Broly is stronger than Jiren. If Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu, there is no way Vegeta or Goku can defeat him alone. For starters, Jiren is stated to be stronger than a god of destruction. Gogeta vs Jiren (7-3-0). Unfortunately, we've never seen Beerus at full power, which means that his real strength could surpass that of Jiren. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. Just like Whis, Vados is one of the Angel attendants, although she serves Champa, the God of Destruction of Universe 6. In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. Gogeta or Vegito? He appeared as the main antagonist of the Tournament of Power arc who stood in the way of Goku and his friends as they aimed to win the competition and ensure the survival of their universe. MUI Goku defeated Jiren, who is stronger than a GoD that is stronger than Beerus, based on a statement made by Whis, who is Beerus's teacher and knows his full power. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? LSSJ Broly is on par if not stronger than LB Jiren & LB Jiren was getting a few good hits on MUI Goku SSB negg diffed LSSJ Broly So, SSB Gogeta would also be stronger than if he appeared in the ToP In conclusion, SSB would stomp MUI Goku. Goku compared Broly to 'possibly' being stronger than Beerus. During the aftermath, Jiren goes on to ask Gogeta on why his fusees never fused into him during the Tournament of Power, implying that Gogeta would have been a massive threat to its contestants, including Jiren himself. As one of Dragon Ball's strongest, Jiren is someone whose strength surpasses that of even a God of Destruction, quite possibly making him the strongest known mortal to ever exist in the multiverse. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. If that’s true, then Jiren, who has the power of a god, could really be stronger than all other Dragon Ball villains, including the Legendary Super Saiyan himself. Vegeta is one of the main characters from Dragon Ball and he's one of Universe 7's strongest Saiyans. Well, currently it's unfair because the saiyan fusion would have access to Sign at the very least, and I'm inclined to say UI too. SSB Gogeta being weaker than Beerus makes no fucking sense whatsoever, since the movie ended with Broly being on Beerus' level. FP Broly Got Thrashed by a Gogeta Blue that wasn’t trying while Jiren fought Against MUI Goku on almost Equal Footing As LB and Was Dominating UIO as well. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. first of all I'm pretty sure ultra instinct is stronger than gogeta blue, same with jiren.. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. If we're going by the anime continuity then Jiren is inarguably stronger than Broly. Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE LAWS OF DBZ PHYSICS. Gogeta is vastly above Omega, who's 10 times stronger than Syn, who matched FPSSJ4 Goku, who is baseline, Omega is 40x baseline for destroying the Dragon Ball sized universe. Basing this pretty much solely on the fact that that's just how Dragon Ball works. Dragon Ball Super has introduced some of the strongest characters in the Dragon Ball franchise! Why would it be? Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. Nobody ever says that Jiren is stronger than either of them. JavaScript is disabled. As one of the Angels, Whis is easily the strongest in Universe 7 and his strength goes beyond that of Beerus as well. So, as I said before, Gogeta wins. Being an Angel, her power far surpasses the likes of the Gods of Destruction and in a fight against Jiren, Vados would emerge victorious. So somehow, Broly is going to be stronger than a God of Destruction. Gogeta only fought Broly though and Broly is obviously stronger than Kefla was. However, when compared to Jiren, Vegeta is nowhere close to his level, which means if the two were to fight again, Vegeta would, undoubtedly, lose the fight. Even if he's physically weaker than Jiren, he has hax abilities, such as Hakai, up his sleeve, which basically ensures that Beerus will absolutely not lose to him. It could potentially surpass Gogeta/Vegetto if all of the characters' respective permutations are allowed that you mentioned. He has 5 minutes right? A one-stop shop for all things video games. … All his children are known to be powerful enough to beat the Gods of Destruction, and the fact that he is even stronger than them means that Jiren is no more than a bug to him. Heroes Gogeta may be stronger than Jiren, but hes nowhere near as strong as Raditz arc Piccolo who destroyed the moon with a generic ki blast. Unfortunately, we haven't seen him fight yet, but we're certain that his level is likely going to be something that we, as fans, can't even comprehend right now. RELATED: Dragon Ball: 5 Characters Goku Can't Beat Yet (& 5 He Never Will). The potara fusion or fusion dance? Let's settle this ToP vs DBSB debate once for all! Super Saiyan Broly V.S Limit Breaker Jiren Speed Equalized (Is this even necessary? Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. My guess is the reason they are giving us the quote is that at some point in the movie, Beerus or Whis may say that Broly is “even” stronger than himself. Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the world of Dragon Ball. Although Jiren is stronger than a God of Destruction, that doesn't make him anywhere close to the level of an Angel. I didn't know the DB universe was that freaking big. They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. That’s jus how I … Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, (spoilers) Read at your own risk. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when fighting opponents who are stronger than him had been noted to be incredible. If he isn't already, Broly will naturally scale to become stronger than Jiren under these conditions. As such, defeating him is quite an arduous task. But that is also a weakness because the fusion will be undone in a shorter time just like in the DBS manga. For the sake of this argument we are removing that hand in hand factor. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. Universe 6's famed assassin, Hit an extremely powerful character, strong enough to kill most who stand in his path. Jiren prior to breaking his limits was said to be at or above the level of the gods by whis. ps2snesgod (Topic Creator) 8 months ago #10. Jiren is roughly as powerful as Beerus. Ignore this guy. Several times higher than Fusion dance. And … If that sounds familiar, it’s because that’s sort of Beerus’ job. Having incredible potential, Gohan put himself forward as one of the strongest known characters in the series at one point. Yeah. Like Goku, Vegeta is capable of using Super Saiyan Blue to raise his powers to astronomically high levels. Are Super Saiyan Full Power Broly and Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta stronger than Beerus? If even that. It may not display this or other websites correctly. He did not have the automovement but still blew Goku away at multiple points. By adding Jiren's RE to the mix, it sounds pretty even. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. Gogeta is officially confirmed to be in the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie but which fusion is stronger? Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Most of SSB Gogeta's attacks wouldn't/couldn't maim Broly let alone disintegrate him, so odds are Jiren can't oneshot Broly and prevent his growth. The writers were very careful to preserve Vegetto and Gogeta during that arc. Isn't Jiren an order of magnitude stronger than Toppo? It's a public forum. FPSSJ4 Goku scales above this 4x Syn Shenron. Wouldn't that be a stomp the other way around? Since Gogeta in base is stronger than ssj blues individually, that would mean that even the weakest God form would be literally thousands of times stronger than ssb goku and vegeta. according to Diazenzhuu. If even that. In the TOP Jirens feats really are overwhelming when put into context. Now the only thing we know is that Jiren was stronger than … Naruto: The 10 Best "Talk No Jutsu" Memes, Dragon Ball: 5 Characters Jiren Can Defeat (& 5 He Can't). Everything is probably this and probably that. To be honest, the fact goku thinks broly may be stonger then Beerus yet we know for a fact Jiren is way stronger then any god of destruction should solve this. So please close it immediately sir. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). its more of kefla being stronger than ui goku version 2 that makes me say gogeta can beat jiren Fair enough, but your title and first post imply that you believe DBH is a valid source to determine a character's power level. I do think that if Vegito will go all-out against Jiren early, he will get a high chance of beating the Pride Trooper. Kale also shat on nearly everyone but Jiren when she went wild. Who is stronger? 10 Stronger: Ultra Instinct Goku His timeskip would be useless. first of all I'm pretty sure ultra instinct is stronger than gogeta blue, same with jiren.. In her fight against Goku, she as able to push him to Ultra Instinct, which means that she's quite a capable warrior. So as You can see Broly isn’t Stronger than Jiren it’s mostly the fans driding him. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. Yeah, Jiren stomps. 10 Stronger… So I do believe Jiren at the time was stronger than Vegito, hence Gogeta(Definitely when he releases his dormant power). In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. Everything about him, from his physical abilities to his techniques like Hakai, is mind-blowing. Video games. -Jiren suppressed is not even phased by Goku SSB x20. Rumor: Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and Gogeta coming to Dragon Ball FighterZ Season 2 Vergeben also claims that he heard Season 2 will be bigger than … So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Whether Vados is still stronger than Whis or not remains to be seen, however, what we do know is that there is absolutely no way for Jiren to defeat her. The fusion of Kale and Caulifla, Kefla is an extremely powerful warrior from Universe 6. If Jiren were to fight Broly, it feels quite plausible that the more experienced and disciplined Universe 11 Pride Trooper would prevail over the more reckless, less-focused Universe 7 Saiyan. Jiren is stronger than belmod but that can easily be 7 as belmod a 6.8. It was stated that Fusion was allowed and they both saw a potara fused a character a while back. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. Or if this has been discussed to death already. Such as the evidence that just regular SSJ1 Broly is already superior to Jiren (Who gave MUI Goku a very tough time). However, when it comes to fighting someone like Gogeta, Broly struggled quite a lot, which is why we're certain that Jiren is powerful enough to defeat him in combat. FlatZone wrote: Super Full Power Jiren, Hit, and Gogeta will fight Godslayer Hearts together, MUI just can't cut it so they are bringing Gogeta out instead. 0 Kudos StrymULTRA. RELATED: 10 Dragon Ball Superheroes Reimagined As Villains. I said their ki would be adapted to that speed correlation. Firstly, I believe the only character in the series who has the closes idea of how strong Beerus really is would be Whis. Damn. Gogeta >>>> Omega at 40x. Thanks to Kale's special Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than an average fusion should be. They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. In Dragon Ball Fusions, Super Gogeta is an A-Rank fusion making him weaker than Vegito (Base/Super Saiyan) who is an S-Rank. The next arc's villain always surpasses the last arc's villain, and I don't see why Broly would be weaker than Jiren yet require an even stronger Goku and Vegeta to try out a new strategy to defeat him. What are your thoughts? Jiren is on a different level to all. (edited by Rogeta234) 0. I can buy Beerus being stronger than everything previous. While the Multiplier for Vegito is extremely high. Joppo would destroy BR: Gogeta Blue though. Not a single one of them (other than the exclusions) would be able to stand up to the might Frieza for more than a few minutes. Jiren is stronger than belmod + he's stronger Beerus via scaling from some magazine promo Loading editor. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. The resulting fusion should net a pretty sizable increase in power regardless. Knowing all this, I think we should either remove the "Possibly 2-C" part from Gogeta's profile or add a similar note to at least Limit Breaker Jiren and Ultra Instinct Goku, even if there is a good argument for Gogeta being stronger than Goku and Jiren. Is Gogeta as strong as Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku and Awakened Jiren from the Tournament of power? This is a Speed Stomp, it can't be added unless speed is equalized. 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The Grand Priest is the father of all the Angels and he's also the strongest of his race that we know of. I mean it's pretty clear gogeta has no chance against hearts.. So why do the Pride Trooper's stink so much? Yeah, Manga Goku doesn't have SSJB Kaio-ken. He is more powerful than his own universes God of Destruction but that doesn’t mean he’s more powerful than all GoD’s. Other pieces of evidence agree with this too. Then you're violating the powers at hand. Broly is a Saiyan from Universe 7 who grew up on Planet Vampa after being exiled by King Vegeta long ago. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the new calcs and changes to DB characters. I never said speed equals ap. Would this still be added if I took away Gogeta's time limit? level 1 During the Tournament of Power, we were treated to some incredible action with Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku taking on Jiren in a fight. So this is kinda hard to gauge. Fans have debated for years whether or not Vegetto was stronger than Gogeta, but Dragon Ball Super: Broly essentially proved that Gogeta is the stronger fusion of the two. Jiren also fought a lot of foes and was much stronger than most, even fighting against goku with UI two times and a fully powered vegeta. RELATED: Android 18: Who Is Dragon Ball's Female Cyborg? To put that into perspective, Broly was able to fight and overwhelm two Super Saiyan Blue level warriors with a mere Super Saiyan transformation. Whis knows Ultra Instinct as well and it seems that his skills with this power are far greater than Goku's. Furthermore, Jiren got gradually stronger as the two fought and it's possible for him to do the same against Gogeta as well. Being the legendary Super Saiyan, Broly is someone whose powers are exceptionally higher than average Saiyans. Goku and Vegeta finally get their long awaited rematch but one of them isn't canon. 4 Can Defeat: Broly. Though it will give them a fair chance, it will still be risky because, after the fusion, Vegeta and Goku will be out of stamina. He's Stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 by a large amount so I expect him to beat the shit out of him with no effort. So if your lightspeed thanks to planet busting power level than a Farmer with a Shotgun who gets light speed becomes planet level since Ki ties in speed & power. Although he did step-up during the Tournament of Power, he is still far below the level of Jiren, which pretty much ensures that no matter what, he won't be able to defeat him right now. User Info: ps2snesgod. Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. And there wasn't any doubt Jiren was stronger than MZ in 110, or any doubt he's the strongest they had ever fought, but then Whis says "perhaps" he's stronger than GoD level. Regardless of whether or not he’s stronger than Beerus specifically, it’s still extremely impressive and it definitely means it’s possible that he’s stronger than Frieza. Not even Whis or anyone stated Goku and Vegeta would be able to win this fight fused. Gogeta >>>>> Super One Star > 40x 3-A. The only characters who have been proven to be stronger than Beerus are MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. Vados is known to have been stronger than Whis at one point and she even helped Whis with this training, making him stronger in the process. Their combined power already adds up to roughly 40 times that of their regular SSB, so I have a hard time seeing Jiren not taking the fight against Gogeta with ease, since he'd only be slightly over 2 times that of SSBKKx20 Goku and SSBE Vegeta combined. First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. There's a clear distinction in the level of power that is portrayed there. While Vegeta is stronger than Toppo, Jiren is stronger than Goku by a wider margin. There is also no assurance that even Gogeta can defeat him because Gogeta is not as strong as Vegito. Vegito appeared before the TOP Arc, where both Goku and Vegeta were much, much weaker. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. Also is jiren weaker than Broly? Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. Mid diff at best considering UI’s mechanics No when we equalize speed we are just equalizing that specific stat. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. I think OP … Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than UI Goku, who beat Kefla without even being at the top of his game. Top. 10/19/2019. There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. Sure, Vegito got high power levels and he is actually stronger than Beerus. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. Given that base Gogeta is stronger than ssjb Goku, I’d say ssj1 Gogeta is mui level.Yes, seems reasonable. So SSB Gogeta would, at most, be 96 times stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. That's enough for gogeta to treat ssjbkkx20 goku or ssbe vegeta like beerus did to ssj3 goku. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. I kind of feel gogeta probably isn't stronger than ultra instinct. Although Jiren is stronger than a God of Destruction, that doesn't make him anywhere close to the level of an Angel. Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) @shaneherald you do realize the DB Super Gogeta stomps Vegito right? But it is pertinent to my answer. He's definitely the strongest they have ever fought, but only perhaps stronger than GoD level. If anyone thinks otherwise, they're welcome to explain why. He doesn't present the evidence when asked about it. You can connect with him on his email: reipenber17@gmail.com. I would otherwise say that it wouldn't be due to both characters being equal to their Saiyan opponents at best when they were at … Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. If hearts is trying to overthrow the omni king and jiren, hit, Android 17,trunks, piccolo can't beat hearts what chance does gogeta have of beating him.. And why does hearts look like gogeta is a challenge.. However, due to lack of training, Gohan has gotten weaker with time. In fact, we're pretty sure that it won't take Jiren more than a few minutes to deal with him. Hopefully, the manga will give is a glimpse of that soon. Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Posts: 64 Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:49 am. I want to say Gogeta but I want to say that I am seeing a trend of speed equalize in a lot of these debates and if speed is equalized and In Dragon Ball speed is a part of your power and durability then that would mean that both characters are equal in power and durability. One of tropes that exists throughout the Dragon Ball mythos, but originally introduced in Dragon Ball Z, is that two fighters can fuse together to form a new, hybrid individual with vastly augmented power and abilities. He was easily destroying Super One Star Dragon, who's around the same level the GoDs Jiren scales above, and given he would be willing to kill via SBA, he would easily overwhelm Jiren, on which case the latter's RE would be really useful, but overall I see Gogeta taking this. Jiren's power was stated to be considerably above that of any ki previously sensed by Vegeta and Kaioshin in EP109, which would include both Fused Zamasu (who put up a much better fight against SSB Vegetto than Broly did against SSB Gogeta) and Beerus (who cut loose against Champa twice, and who full … This concept is revisited in Dragon Ball Super and its official tie-in animated film, Broly. The reason why Kefla is stronger than Fusion Zamasu is the following. LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. No, it wouldn't. Since we’re talking GT, I’ll take a liberty or two. No it hasn't been proven Gogeta is stronger than Beerus. MUI is likely a Fusion amp. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. While Broly's strength is said to be close to that of a God of Destruction, Jiren's power far surpasses that mark, as seen during the Tournament of Power. 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